Re: Netscape 6 nee Mozilla, and OpenBSD images

[Bruce Smith <bruce@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

> >> Except that Netscape 6 sucks, that is a scientific fact.
> >
> >Just because [almost?] everyone has this OPINION, doesn't
> >necessarily make it a fact.  There might be a couple people
> >in this world who disagree.  Like the authors and some others
> >in Redmond who like bloatware!   :-)
> 
> As someone who resembles that remark...

See, I knew there was someone out there!!!    :-)

> If Mozilla-the-platform is bloatware in your opinion, ...

Isn't "Netscape 6" and "Mozilla" two different browsers?
(even thought they have some things in common)

I'm talking about Netscape 6 on Linux (windows isn't as bad).

I've also heard that Mozilla isn't as bad as NS6, although I 
haven't tried Mozilla lately.

> I'm inclined to believe that there is
> no right answer here, and that every individual will have to try
> Mozilla for themselves if they want to know if they'll like it.

That's fine, and I encourage people to download and try it.
I'm just not supplying it on CD any more.  (feel free!)

> >...If you're wondering why I don't offer OpenBSD for sale on KLUG,
> >it's because they don't provide ISO (CD) images for download, and
> >they have a copyright on the ISO images of the CD's they sell.
> >Even though their CD's contain 100% freely distributable software,
> >it is not legal to copy their CD's.  The only way around this is
> >to download all the files separately and create a CD from them,
> >and I haven't found the time to do that (and have no plans to).
> 
> See
> 
> http://www.shockley.net/obsd-bootcd.asp
> 
> for relatively simple instructions on how to make a bootable
> OpenBSD CD. I've done this myself; the only problem was that I
> didn't have room for everything I wanted, so I deleted [X]emacs
> and Netscape Communicator (left Navigator on, though).

I've also made bootable (Redhat) CD's by downloading all 
the separate files, back before ISO images were supplied!

I also know it's a pain, and I don't have a lot of time or
desire to do it any more.  ISO images have made me lazy.

> >This is OpenBSD's way to raise funds for their project, and I'm
> >not criticizing it, only stating the facts as I understand them.
> 
> My "preferred solution" is to use my homemade CD as a teaser to get
> people interested in OpenBSD, encourage them to purchase the official
> distribution, and occasionally buy T-shirts, stickers and the like to
> partially offset the bandwidth I leech off them and their mirrors. I
> will burn new CD's for people on an individual case basis, based on
> whether I think they can afford the official CD, how much I like the
> person, and what kind of a mood I'm in at that exact moment in time.

That's fine too.  Even though I have a distributable version of
OpenBSD now, which I'm selling at KLUG, I still encourage people
to help support their favorite distributions by buying the official
packaged versions if they can.

>  should be wearing an OpenBSD shirt at the next meeting.

Cool.  And that probably won't get you kicked out of restaurants in 
Texas like the FreeBSD shirt has been known to do.  (another story :)

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Bruce Smith                bruce@armintl.com
System Administrator / Network Administrator
Armstrong International, Inc.
Three Rivers, Michigan  49093  USA
http://www.armstrong-intl.com/
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