Re: BSWare and Loki order forms...

[Adam Tauno Williams <awilliam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

>>Regarding PHP and MySQL as well as Apache.  Wasn't there an RPM that
>>installed all three? 
>It's more than one RPM, but they all come as stock Redhat/BSware 7.x.
>>Also isn't Galeon just the gecko engine wrapped in GTK?
>Don't know.  Adam?

Sort of.  I wouldn't use the word "just".  The Gecko engine is mostly developed under the umbrella of Mozilla,  bug Galeon != Gecko != Mozilla.  However, "just" is a better word in relation to Galeon than Mozilla.  Mozilla (Netscape 6.x, whatever) is the bloated replacement for bloatware like Netscape and IE.  Both Mozilla and IE promise to be developement platforms in their own right,  with XML parsers, macro language, COM models, mail and news agents, etc... blah blah woof woof.  Galeon is a web browser,  specifically NOT a development platform, mail reader, XML parser.....  thus it is faster, theoretically more stable, and does consume 10~20 fewer megabytes of RAM than its compatriats.  

>>I recall reading about that a while ago but never got it up and running.
>I downloaded it and tried it on a stock Redhat 7.1 system and got:
># rpm -ivh galeon-0.10.4-1-M081-rh7.i386.rpm 
>error: failed dependencies:
>	gnome-vfs >= 0.6.0 is needed by galeon-0.10.4-1
>	GConf >= 0.12 is needed by galeon-0.10.4-1
>	oaf >= 0.6.2 is needed by galeon-0.10.4-1
>	gdk-pixbuf >= 0.10.0 is needed by galeon-0.10.4-1

It is included with Ximian GNOME 1.4,  I don't think it will run with the standard (quasi-obselete) GNOME packages that come with RH.  The development of Gecko/Galean is very rapid at this point,  and Galeon has only been usable (IMHO) as my regular browser for a couple of months.  It does require Mozilla to be installed as it uses Mozillas plug-ins for flash, etc...  
>Some stuff seems to be the wrong version on Redhat 7.1 and
>I never got around to looking for newer versions.  

The XG14 upgrade upgrades all required packages.  Upgrading is automated.

>Any words for wisdom Adam?
>>Is Galeon on the BSWare CDs?
>No, because I couldn't get it installed.  I may add it later if 
>I can find an easy way to make it work without screwing around 
>with too many stock Redhat packages.

I think it will be awhile before RH includes the Ximian packages, Ximian seems to want to remain a distinct entity.

IMHO, having an OS distribution (Redhat,BS-Ware) and a Desktop Environment distribution (Ximian GNOME) is a good thing.  It helps people clarify in their minds the distinction, and lets them evolve as the devleopment/release cycles rarely correspond.  In my perfect world RedHat would provide everything OS-ish up to and including X on one CD, Ximian would provide GNOME on a second CD, and server packages (PostgreSQL, Apache, PHP, etc...) would be on a third CD.  Right now if you want a machine for ONE purpose you really need to go back and take stuff out after an install,  one of my peeves about both Win32 and Linux.