Re: Ximian Gnome 1.4 & RH 7.1 <- TheBS details further ...

["Bryan J. Smith" <b.j.smith@xxxxxxxx>]

Re: Ximian Gnome 1.4 & RH 7.1 <- TheBS details further ...

Alan DeJong wrote:
> Nautilus looks to me like a linux version of 'Active
> Desktop' - sure it looks cool, but it run soooooo slow...
> and on my p2 233 w/ 48 megs of ram, i cant afford that
> slow speed..

But with Linux, at least you have the option of running outside of
Gnome and/or KDE.  Consider FVWM/v2/v95, IceWM or another WM on 48MB
of RAM.

> And its not always a diamond either.. it could be a
> square or circle..

Dooh!!!  *SMACK* 'dat BS!

   Green Circle = Beginner
   Blue Square = Intermediate
   Charcoal Diamond = Advanced

I should have pointed that out (bad assumption, very bad assumption
on my part).  Sorry.

> It does have it's ideosyncracies.

So does Mac, so does BeOS, etc...  You have been programmed to think
one way c/o Windows Explorer.  KDE caters to that.  Gnome does not,
and takes a more "Nextist"-approach.  So if you are not a "Nextist"
(I think I just coined a new term ;-), you won't like it.  After
using Enlightenment 0.16 + Gnome 1.0 for a day, I became a Nextist
in 1999.  Damn I love it 10x better (although I hated it for the
first 2-3 hours of usage).

> Mostly I think the transition from GMC (Gnome Midnight Commander, the
> previous file manager) to Nautilus (the current file manager) was
> pre-mature.  They still provide GMC butthere is NO OBVIOUS WAY to
> pick which one you want to use.

???  I don't know about you, but use the icons.  ;-PPP

Actually, in Gnome 1.4 -- I use *NEITHER* for the desktop!  My
desktop is bare and there is no GMC nor Nautilus application
running.  In fact, when I launch Nautilus, I have the option of
binding it to the desktop or not (and I turn it off, which it
remembers).  When GMC runs for the first time, it launches the
desktop items (use the "--nodesktop" option to prevent this) .  Same
problem with KFM (and Konquerer?) under KDE (or running
KFM/Konquerer under Gnome -- yikes!).

With Gnome 1.4, you get the flexibility.  So with Gnome 1.4, I'm
actually _saving_ memory because I don't run GMC or Nautilus on my
desktop.  I now launch GMC with the "--nodesktop" option (and
changed my icon) so it doesn't keep the desktop icons resident after
I kill the file manager portion (let alone the GMC desktop keeps
respawning itself on a kill -9 if you don't -- Arrrggghhh!!!!).

> By default (I think) Ximian GNOME wants to use Nautilus

No, by default Ximian uses Nautilus, but it is easily disabled.  You
can then use GMC instead (and it's simple to enable it by putting it
in your ~/.Xsession file, or at least by 2 other methods).  In my
case, I use _neither_ for a desktop and choose between the two when
I want a file manager (running GMC with --nodesktop, and turning off
Nautilus binding to the desktop).  No residency, less memory. 
Hoo-rah!

> but, if you used GNOME previously, GMC still wants to start
> (at least on my box) and they get into a little tussle occasionally.
> Also after logging in/out a couple of dozen times on diffrent
> displays Nautilus leaves dead processes hanging around.  While I
> *LIKE* using Nautilus I am seriously considering banishing it from
> by box.   GMC is fast, functional, and stable.

I'm having no such issues with my approach.  Maybe it's time for
another BS "Microscopic HOWTO" on your options with Nautilus 1.4???

> And when i try to load the "classic gnome", it still loads the
> new one! i dont see anything classic about it.  And i STILL do
> not have my KDE desktop, which is beginning to worry me.. I
> really need that desktop back!

Well I just did some RPM check-ups and nothing seems to be
disabled.  kdm, kdeinit and konqueror are still there.  Maybe it's
some user ~/.X* files forcing Gnome (I'm still surprised that KDM
didn't work for you).   I haven't tried KDM, although I'm thinking
about doing that shortly (damn, been logged in for weeks now --
although I'll init 3 so I won't lose my uptime ;-).

I'll be back ...

-- TheBS

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