A response, and request for more ideas.

[Scott Yellig <syellig@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

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On Mon, 29 Dec 1997, Robert G. Brown wrote:

> Now, here's a real challenge (maybe)... 
> 
> Someone sends out a message this way...
> 
> To: klug@deepthought.dyndns.com, president@whithouse.gov
> cc: bob@acm.org, wally@leave-it-to-beaver.com
> 
> Everyone in the list, Bill Clinton and Wally each get ONE copy of the message
> I don't get two just 'cuz I am in klug@... AND on the cc list.

you can make it so that the list doesnt echo your own copy back to you.
but thats all you can do without learning procmail to attack smartlist (my
list server) and make it examine the CC: list for people on the list and
not send copys out to them.

possible, sure. am i going to do it? no. :)

> 
> Is it possible/economical?
> 
> >Boyne highlands is where we went skiing. 
> Never been... where?  UP? Wisc?

upper part of the lower peninsula.

> 
> >its a 6 hour car trip, so ive now read most of Java in a nutshell.
> Nice drive. Nice book. Nice language. What do you think?

I have NEVER touched any OOP in my life. I want my C functions and
pointers back!

But, getting beyond that, i can see how OOP is really nice. Its like
structs with executable code in them :) I can see how it would be very
nice for graphics and event driven things, and java looks like its very
very very extendable, the way classes work and extend and implement
eachother. Very well thought out. However, if the designers think, that
means i have to think to learn the language.

> 
> >With that done now all i have to do is
> >find out that most of that i remember doesnt work with netscape java :P
> What you need to do is download and install the JDK for Linux. I can tell you 
> the good sites, if you like....

Ive had it. and i have some very simple applets working.

> 
> 
> >Ive managed to learn enough java to allow me to make really nasty code
> >that bearly works and is impossible to follow!
> Ah, another true programmer in the making!    :)
> 
> >so, i figured i might try my hand at making some kind of applet for the
> >KLUG web page.
> Sounds like a swell idea!

yeah, anything to avoid school.

> >thats where you come in.
> Oh, you mean someone who's done photgraphy since the age of 11, was semipro 
> in ollege, and still thinks that the cameras and film are more important 
> carry-ons than anything else?

Oh, so i did make myself clear. hehe.

> >I can program, but i dont have an ounce of visual creativity....
> OK, first idea is the let people BAIL OUT of the Java version if they
> don't/can't deal with it. There's a lotta buggy browsers, slow modems, slow
> machines out there, so let's be considerate and sensitive. You can do a lot to 
> see what kind of environment they have, and act accordingly...

Sure. thats more on the html side of things, which im not terribly
interested in.

> 
> >At the very least i would like some kind of ideas as to what
> >to thing should look like, and do.
> I'll start off with a BAD idea, and that is using the pengiun and a wolverine
> together. Remember, our first name ain';t LINUX, it's Kalamazoo, and the notion
> of combining the Global Bird with a Local Critter has some appeal.

do you have any kind of morphing software? that would be a good place to
start: with an animation of tux (the penguin) and some wolverine morphing
together. hmmmmm so, does kalamazoo have any kind of city bird? or
anything like that?

> > But, would i could really use is
> >someone to give me ideas and make the picture and things for me as well
> Right now (and for about 2 weeks, I will NOT have time to learn graphics enough
> to actually act on my silly idea, but after that... who knows? I need to put a
> personal website together, so I'll be playing with stuff like that in mid Jan
> anyway. In the meantime, please take my idea and see if someone else wants to
> run with it.  Maybe use it as a starting point and see if someone runs away
> FROM it -- into something better!

thats the idea of this list, i believe. to get everyones ideas.