Re: For those in need of some amusement.....

[Rich Perna <richp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

----- Original Message -----
From: Adam Williams <adam@morrison-ind.com>

> I think this is getting a little out of hand.  I see less and less
> "factual" comments with each reply.  If you prefer Linux then use Linux,~
> if you think Windows is easier/faster/better than use Windows.  Just~
> don't turn your opinions into truth.

The reason for my post was to sort of mediate the thing and say, "yes, you
both have good points, but you're also both wrong, just let it die".  That
was seriously the first time I've seen someone flame someone else on this
list.   I didn't mean to come across as opinionated; the "opinion" that you
may have misinterpreted was my statement that Windows is basically stable,
but is very susceptible to bad apps and hardware/drivers.  I don't think
that is too "off-base".

> Oh yes I can, I have 130 non-techie users sitting in front of Linux boxes
> doing what users do: openning invoices, typing e-mail, etc...  The DEFAULT
> Linux desktop may not be what a user needs,  but it certainly CAN BE what
> a user needs.

Sure, with proper training.  However, my point was that if you took two raw
newbies, gave one a Linux box and one a Windows box, the Windows user has a
much better chance to get things working straight.    I don't see where the
argument is here.

> I'm not cerain their unethical,  that is a philosophical can of worms.
> People are ethical or not,  corporations are merely corporations.

A corporation is defined by its leadership, and there's just no question
that Microsoft's leadership will use unethical means to eliminate
competition.

> >and points to your company not having an experienced hardware/Windows
> >person.  The only app at my current job that I see die on a regular basis
is
> >Outlook 97, which is an utter piece of sh*t.  Nothing to do with Windows
>
> Your very lucky.  This evidence is ancidotal.

My experience with Outlook 97 is anecdotal, but my many experiences with
Windows are not.  Luck has nothing to do with it; the type of hardware used
and application compatibility are the "master" secrets to having a useful
Windows install.

> An APP should NOT be able to kill the OS, ever!  That is the point.

It does, though, and not just on Microsoft products.  I've seen Linux freeze
in X several times (vapor lock, not just "oh, I'll telnet in and kill the
session" lock).  Those darn GUIs...

As for Netscape, I don't doubt you've had good luck with it, and I'm sorry I
wasn't more clear talking about it and did an actual apples-to-apples
comparison.  For example, let's take the way the U.S.'s most popular
distribution, RH6, shipped with Communicator.  It was ludicrously broken and
did dump core like I stated; Windows shipped with IE, which was very stable.

Anyway, I'm ready to let this topic die.  If anyone else wants to continue
this discussion, I'd be more than willing to over e-mail.

Rich